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	<title>Comments on: Wikipedia takes on Threshold RPG (part 1)</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
		<link>http://muckbeast.today.com/2009/01/11/wikipedia-takes-on-threshold-rpg-part-1/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that things are going well. Now you just need perseverance and someone watching the article, in case of a troll attack! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that things are going well. Now you just need perseverance and someone watching the article, in case of a troll attack! <img src='http://muckbeast.today.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
		<link>http://muckbeast.today.com/2009/01/11/wikipedia-takes-on-threshold-rpg-part-1/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happens to Threshold/other Muds does not only happen there. I am writing book reviews for a non-commercial site in Germany. We do not get paid for our reviews. But we were criticized as an advertisment driven company, because we pay the costs for hosting with ads. Even worse, we have some success and made more money than hosting cost us. How immoral...

Well, our links and that of many other fantasy/science-fiction review sites were all removed and some even blacklisted. Despite several top journalists working for these sites. One self-proclaimed mentor or whatever it is called got on a crusade versus all book review sites. Because they are all commercial and of low quality.

Nothing could be proved and was discussed to death, but as nobody involved had the time to match the effort that this zealous idiot put into deleting entries, we had to give up.


What can YOU do to prevent the deletion of Treshold an other MUDS? Well, some stupid jerk probably will say 1.) Richard Bartle is not really important in the big picture, 2.) MUDs are not that important either and 3.) Treshold is just another MUD. That this guy usually has next to no clue about the genre he is talking about and that his judgement is awful does not seem to count at Wikipedia.

You can only hope that some people have time to fight and do endless discussions for the cause of Threshold, as not the people who are "right" in an objective or subjective way, but those who can edit and quarrel forever.

You can try to appeal to an admin who shares your point of view, but who really knows the hierarchies and secret allies at Wikipedia. There were already some disturbing reports of Wikipedia admin games of power that involved mobbing and banning users.

I can only tell you, I lost a lot of illusions about Wikipedia and a free encyclopedia for everyone that day. Jimbo Wales is a follower of Ayn Rands philosophy of objectivism, which is highly criticized by academics and, even worse, often leads to VERY odd and frightening interpretations by several people. Terry Goodkinds late Sword of Truth novels were prime examples of this.


What can you do? Debate forever, till the other guys give up. Find an admin that shares your point of view, but how to find a mud lover... no idea.

I am afraid, you will lose. Zealots are more determined than normal and rational persons... I experienced it myself.

I am scared by Wikipedia and the awful power games behind the scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happens to Threshold/other Muds does not only happen there. I am writing book reviews for a non-commercial site in Germany. We do not get paid for our reviews. But we were criticized as an advertisment driven company, because we pay the costs for hosting with ads. Even worse, we have some success and made more money than hosting cost us. How immoral&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, our links and that of many other fantasy/science-fiction review sites were all removed and some even blacklisted. Despite several top journalists working for these sites. One self-proclaimed mentor or whatever it is called got on a crusade versus all book review sites. Because they are all commercial and of low quality.</p>
<p>Nothing could be proved and was discussed to death, but as nobody involved had the time to match the effort that this zealous idiot put into deleting entries, we had to give up.</p>
<p>What can YOU do to prevent the deletion of Treshold an other MUDS? Well, some stupid jerk probably will say 1.) Richard Bartle is not really important in the big picture, 2.) MUDs are not that important either and 3.) Treshold is just another MUD. That this guy usually has next to no clue about the genre he is talking about and that his judgement is awful does not seem to count at Wikipedia.</p>
<p>You can only hope that some people have time to fight and do endless discussions for the cause of Threshold, as not the people who are &#8220;right&#8221; in an objective or subjective way, but those who can edit and quarrel forever.</p>
<p>You can try to appeal to an admin who shares your point of view, but who really knows the hierarchies and secret allies at Wikipedia. There were already some disturbing reports of Wikipedia admin games of power that involved mobbing and banning users.</p>
<p>I can only tell you, I lost a lot of illusions about Wikipedia and a free encyclopedia for everyone that day. Jimbo Wales is a follower of Ayn Rands philosophy of objectivism, which is highly criticized by academics and, even worse, often leads to VERY odd and frightening interpretations by several people. Terry Goodkinds late Sword of Truth novels were prime examples of this.</p>
<p>What can you do? Debate forever, till the other guys give up. Find an admin that shares your point of view, but how to find a mud lover&#8230; no idea.</p>
<p>I am afraid, you will lose. Zealots are more determined than normal and rational persons&#8230; I experienced it myself.</p>
<p>I am scared by Wikipedia and the awful power games behind the scenes.</p>
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