Comments on: Managing Your Game Population http://muckbeast.today.com/2008/12/27/managing-your-game-population/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:40 +0000 http://www.today.com/version-2.3.1 By: Longasc http://muckbeast.today.com/2008/12/27/managing-your-game-population/#comment-708 Longasc Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:17:07 +0000 http://muckbeast.today.com/2008/12/27/managing-your-game-population/#comment-708 Blizzard probably did the most experiments with geographical population related measures. Silvermoon City was build to have two major hubs of interest, two banks and 1 or 2 auction houses. There was also a tavern where you could pass through between the two plaza. They mentioned this idea of player "flow" through cities in their TBC promotion while introducing Silvermoon. Ironforge is the other extreme, AH, Bank, Mail in one spot - all players crowded there and near the battlemaster or the portal. Shattrath and Dalaran have Alliance/Horde and Aldor/Scryer Tiers, but ultimately all then meet in the middle near the questgivers, and both banks are very close to each other. So why all the fuss about the design of Silvermoon, it became abandoned the moment the new blood elf players levelled out of the low level content. So they went on to crowd Orgrimmar and Undercity just as if the city did not exist at all...^^ WoW can now manage such a mass of players better than ever, but the player needs a better system, too: My old 1 GB laptop had disconnections and huge fps decrease and lags in Dalaran. My new one should handle it much better, but I quit and deinstalled WotlK, so I cannot test it. :) As Alliance player getting to the Dark Portal to get back to Outland was so much easier than with a Horde char, I think they should have worked on this. But WoW's MAJOR geo pop issue is that 98% of the old content in WoW becomes totally meaningless. And it cannot be improved by fancy city layouts! They need to get rid of the levels and zones concept, but unfortunately this game is build on the levelquest principle of Everquest. This leads to the funny fact that each expansion makes your gaming world smaller. Solution: There is NONE, only bandaids. It is a flaw of the system! Server population: WoW has almost empty, 95% to 5% faction ratio, very few balanced medium size servers and some overcrowded and balanced servers. I played on Frostwolf-EU, German server. Together with Azshara the german #1/#2 pop server, often 30-60 minutes till you can log in. But these servers are brimming with life. And people do not kill on sight there, TBC and WOTLK basically always had an unspoken non-aggression agreement between Horde and Alliance. On Taerar, heavily dominated by the Horde, my alliance char could level without seeing another player for hours. But if I met one, it always ended in combat, even high levels could not resist to kill the "rare alliance player"...^^ Other players noticed the same pattern on Azshara as on Frostwolf, and on low pop servers usually the same as on Taerar. Very interesting! New servers are meant to provide people a "pioneer" experience, a fresh new world to explore. Sadly, most of them die quickly and become just one more ghost server. I think people like them if they are miners or herbalists, hardly anyone there stealing your nodes...^^ Offering free server transfers to the ghost servers does not help: I know a lot of people who then had to pay the fee to come back or transfer to a medium sized server... especially if you are used to full party search windows, full auction houses and stuff like that, the new and low pop servers will disappoint people. Besides that levelling has become a lonely experience even on high pop servers nowadays. In fact people speak of levelling through old content quickly to get to the "real game". Another flaw of the system that can hardly be fixed at all. GUILD WARS... makes extensive use of instances/sharding. EVE is actually not different despite claiming to be one server for 32.000+ players, the "instances" are just different planetary systems. Guild Wars 2 is going to offer larger instances that are more open for people to join, and different "worlds" that can fight against each other. You will be able to travel between worlds and instances. The server population issue is not given in this system, as long as the game has enough players in general. OK, there are major hubs, asia, europe and america, but more because of ping/connection issues than max server capacity issues. The larger instances of GW2 are meant to remedy a problem: Outposts are ghost towns, the major cities always filled to the max number of players in an instance. It is hard to meet people in GW, especially outside the city in your very own instance it is impossible. GW2 seems to try to solve this problem with "large" instances that people can join. Dungeons still seem to be party-instanced, as in WoW. Age of Conan already presents a bit more open instance system than GW. The whole world is in fact instanced, too, they just never mentioned it explicitly to the public. WoW is limited by server architecture and the game mechanics of "levelquest" style games in general. GW does not have these limitations, but suffers from the limitations of extreme sharding/instancing. EVE is basically heavily instanced, too, but does so in a very elegant way. The key is that other players can join the instance/solar system anytime, but try to do the same in a connected fantasy world... I think the MMO of the future will feature instancing, but very open instances that can easily be accessed by anyone. Let's see if Guild Wars 2 manages to do that and be a good game besides that as well. Blizzard probably did the most experiments with geographical population related measures. Silvermoon City was build to have two major hubs of interest, two banks and 1 or 2 auction houses. There was also a tavern where you could pass through between the two plaza. They mentioned this idea of player “flow” through cities in their TBC promotion while introducing Silvermoon. Ironforge is the other extreme, AH, Bank, Mail in one spot - all players crowded there and near the battlemaster or the portal. Shattrath and Dalaran have Alliance/Horde and Aldor/Scryer Tiers, but ultimately all then meet in the middle near the questgivers, and both banks are very close to each other. So why all the fuss about the design of Silvermoon, it became abandoned the moment the new blood elf players levelled out of the low level content. So they went on to crowd Orgrimmar and Undercity just as if the city did not exist at all…^^

WoW can now manage such a mass of players better than ever, but the player needs a better system, too: My old 1 GB laptop had disconnections and huge fps decrease and lags in Dalaran. My new one should handle it much better, but I quit and deinstalled WotlK, so I cannot test it. :) As Alliance player getting to the Dark Portal to get back to Outland was so much easier than with a Horde char, I think they should have worked on this.

But WoW’s MAJOR geo pop issue is that 98% of the old content in WoW becomes totally meaningless. And it cannot be improved by fancy city layouts! They need to get rid of the levels and zones concept, but unfortunately this game is build on the levelquest principle of Everquest. This leads to the funny fact that each expansion makes your gaming world smaller. Solution: There is NONE, only bandaids. It is a flaw of the system!

Server population:
WoW has almost empty, 95% to 5% faction ratio, very few balanced medium size servers and some overcrowded and balanced servers. I played on Frostwolf-EU, German server. Together with Azshara the german #1/#2 pop server, often 30-60 minutes till you can log in. But these servers are brimming with life. And people do not kill on sight there, TBC and WOTLK basically always had an unspoken non-aggression agreement between Horde and Alliance. On Taerar, heavily dominated by the Horde, my alliance char could level without seeing another player for hours. But if I met one, it always ended in combat, even high levels could not resist to kill the “rare alliance player”…^^ Other players noticed the same pattern on Azshara as on Frostwolf, and on low pop servers usually the same as on Taerar. Very interesting!

New servers are meant to provide people a “pioneer” experience, a fresh new world to explore. Sadly, most of them die quickly and become just one more ghost server. I think people like them if they are miners or herbalists, hardly anyone there stealing your nodes…^^

Offering free server transfers to the ghost servers does not help: I know a lot of people who then had to pay the fee to come back or transfer to a medium sized server… especially if you are used to full party search windows, full auction houses and stuff like that, the new and low pop servers will disappoint people. Besides that levelling has become a lonely experience even on high pop servers nowadays. In fact people speak of levelling through old content quickly to get to the “real game”. Another flaw of the system that can hardly be fixed at all.

GUILD WARS… makes extensive use of instances/sharding. EVE is actually not different despite claiming to be one server for 32.000+ players, the “instances” are just different planetary systems. Guild Wars 2 is going to offer larger instances that are more open for people to join, and different “worlds” that can fight against each other. You will be able to travel between worlds and instances.

The server population issue is not given in this system, as long as the game has enough players in general. OK, there are major hubs, asia, europe and america, but more because of ping/connection issues than max server capacity issues. The larger instances of GW2 are meant to remedy a problem: Outposts are ghost towns, the major cities always filled to the max number of players in an instance. It is hard to meet people in GW, especially outside the city in your very own instance it is impossible. GW2 seems to try to solve this problem with “large” instances that people can join. Dungeons still seem to be party-instanced, as in WoW. Age of Conan already presents a bit more open instance system than GW. The whole world is in fact instanced, too, they just never mentioned it explicitly to the public.

WoW is limited by server architecture and the game mechanics of “levelquest” style games in general. GW does not have these limitations, but suffers from the limitations of extreme sharding/instancing. EVE is basically heavily instanced, too, but does so in a very elegant way. The key is that other players can join the instance/solar system anytime, but try to do the same in a connected fantasy world…

I think the MMO of the future will feature instancing, but very open instances that can easily be accessed by anyone. Let’s see if Guild Wars 2 manages to do that and be a good game besides that as well.

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